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Niall Mór
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no Gilligan is Mac Goilla Aoghan - mac gilla egan - say it quickly also angicised magilligan.
likewise gillan is Max Goilla Eoin. - mag gill own - say it quicly too - this name was also anglicised macgillan
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| July 09 2005, 19:22 PM |
MQ
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Following CB's earlier point, the modern Dutch word 'kerk' is even closer than the German.
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| July 09 2005, 21:05 PM |
iora_rua
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| MQ wrote: |
| Following CB's earlier point, the modern Dutch word 'kerk' is even closer than the German. |
'Kirk' is from the Old Norse word 'kirkja', and yes, it means 'church' (actually, it was borrowed from Old English 'cirice' in the first place). It's not a Germanic word, though, but Greek 'kuriakon' meaning '(house) of the Lord'.
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| July 10 2005, 5:27 AM |
breandan_ui_ciarraide
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Ó is grandson
Ní is grand-daughter and used as the female form of Ó surnames
Mac is son
Nic is a word for daughter used in the female form of Mac surnames
Ua is an older form of Ó which is still used in some dialects
Uí is a word meaning 'descendant' which is also used in tribal names (Uí Fhiachrach, Uí Niell, etc.) and as the plural of Ó surnames, and is also seen in women's last names who marry into a family and take that family name.
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| July 14 2005, 1:47 AM |
Kwekubo
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| And De is 'of' or 'from', as in 'from the line of' |
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| August 26 2005, 3:00 AM |
LilMac08
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So since my married name is McDonald... would that make it Scottish or Irish??!! Any one have any ideas??!!  |
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| August 26 2005, 3:38 AM |
Redwolf
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| LilMac08 wrote: |
| So since my married name is McDonald... would that make it Scottish or Irish??!! Any one have any ideas??!! |
Could be either. Both Scottish and Irish Gaelic use the "Mac" prefix meaning "son of." Only way to tell, really, is to do geneological research.
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| November 16 2005, 3:32 AM |
Richie
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| oisin718 wrote: |
Married women take the genitive of their husband's name, Uí and Mhic respectively.
Since when names were Anglicized it was between the English government (men) and Gaelic chiefs and Hiberno-Norman feudal lords (also men), the male forms were the only ones they cared about  |
I could be (and most likely am) wrong, but didn't the Celts do things the other way round, with the woman keeping her own surname?
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| November 16 2005, 3:37 AM |
Redwolf
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| Richie wrote: |
| oisin718 wrote: |
Married women take the genitive of their husband's name, Uí and Mhic respectively.
Since when names were Anglicized it was between the English government (men) and Gaelic chiefs and Hiberno-Norman feudal lords (also men), the male forms were the only ones they cared about |
I could be (and most likely am) wrong, but didn't the Celts do things the other way round, with the woman keeping her own surname? |
Yes and no. Women did (and, I believe, often still do) keep their surnames AND take their husband's...after all, you don't stop being Nic Chonaill just because you've also become Uí Mháille!
But no...men didn't take their wives surnames in a reverse of the usual trend.
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| November 16 2005, 3:39 AM |
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