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PostDecember 18 2003, 0:51 AM
jordibcn


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Hi,
How would you say "this one is dedicated to Sean"?
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PostDecember 18 2003, 0:56 AM
oisin718


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Tiomnaím an ceann seo do Sheán

CHOOM-reem uh KYAWN shuh duh HAWN

(I dedicate this one to Seán)
PostDecember 18 2003, 0:57 AM
jordibcn


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Thanks a lot Very Happy
PostDecember 18 2003, 1:06 AM
Asarlaí


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Hi jordibcn,

Oisin's Irish is super so go with his suggestion,..
( not sure why Seán is lenited though as it's not in the vocative or following a possessive pronoun) or is it? Idea

I was working on it so I'll put down anyway...
Téann an ceann seo amach do Seán

I still learning and just like to be difficult sometimes lach
PostDecember 18 2003, 1:12 AM
oisin718


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Hi, Somhairle!

Your suggestion is very good, too.

Seán is lenited because it follows "do" (to/for). So, if you'd let me rework your suggestion:

Téann an ceann seo amach do Sheán

or

Tá an ceann seo ag dul amach do Sheán

Watch out for prepositions! They can be tricky little buggers!

ar, de, den, do, don, faoi, sa, ó, roimh, trí, and thar lenite
ag, as, chuig, don't cause any change
i, ar an, ag an, as an, chuig an, faoin, leis an, ón, roimh an, tríd an, thar an all cause eclipsis
go and le prefix "h-" to following words that begin with a vowel.[/b]
PostDecember 18 2003, 1:12 AM
Ailill


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oisin718 wrote:


Tiomnaím an ceann seo do Sheán

CHOOM-reem uh KYAWN shuh duh HAWN

(I dedicate this one to Seán)


How about briathar saor here,

Tiomnaítear an ceann seo do Shéan
This one is dedicated to Seán
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PostDecember 18 2003, 1:18 AM
jordibcn


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Wow!! Go raibh maith agat, to all of you Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
PostDecember 18 2003, 1:20 AM
oisin718


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That's just as good--it depends on the context.

Let's say its a song being played. If I were the musician and I were making the dedication, I'd use "Tiomnaím"

If I were telling somebody that the song was being dedicated to Seán, I might say "Tiomnaítear"

The Briathar Saor ephasizes the action (the dedication) when the person doing the dedication either is unknown or unimportant.

I wouldn't use "Tá an ceann seo tiomnaithe" unless what were talking about was something already completed--a dedication printed in a book or a monument or something.
PostDecember 18 2003, 1:25 AM
jordibcn


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It's a dedication to be written on a book. So far it goes:
"Tiomnaím an ceann seo do Sheán le grá. Cronaím thú, Graím thú do deor na ndeor. Slán, codladh sámh."
PostDecember 18 2003, 1:33 AM
Asarlaí


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Grma arís Oisín,

Ps..Ailill, as you mentioned the rave reviews 'Progress in Irish' had received from Daltai.com the other day, I've dusted off my previously exiled copy and have worked my way to ceacht a fiche. It's an excellent book. It scared me 8 months ago but now I love it..

Impetus nua Very Happy
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