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December 18 2003, 0:51 AM |
jordibcn
"New Arrival" Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Location: Barcelona, Spain Posts: 4
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Hi,
How would you say "this one is dedicated to Sean"?
Thanks a million in advance |
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December 18 2003, 0:56 AM |
oisin718
"Andúileach IGTF" Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Location: Ossining, NY Posts: 14,095
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Tiomnaím an ceann seo do Sheán
CHOOM-reem uh KYAWN shuh duh HAWN
(I dedicate this one to Seán) |
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December 18 2003, 0:57 AM |
jordibcn
"New Arrival" Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Location: Barcelona, Spain Posts: 4
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Thanks a lot |
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December 18 2003, 1:06 AM |
Asarlaí
"Craic Pusher" Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Location: Brighton faoi láthair Posts: 7,827
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Hi jordibcn,
Oisin's Irish is super so go with his suggestion,..
( not sure why Seán is lenited though as it's not in the vocative or following a possessive pronoun) or is it?
I was working on it so I'll put down anyway...
Téann an ceann seo amach do Seán
I still learning and just like to be difficult sometimes |
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December 18 2003, 1:12 AM |
oisin718
"Andúileach IGTF" Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Location: Ossining, NY Posts: 14,095
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Hi, Somhairle!
Your suggestion is very good, too.
Seán is lenited because it follows "do" (to/for). So, if you'd let me rework your suggestion:
Téann an ceann seo amach do Sheán
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Tá an ceann seo ag dul amach do Sheán
Watch out for prepositions! They can be tricky little buggers!
ar, de, den, do, don, faoi, sa, ó, roimh, trí, and thar lenite
ag, as, chuig, don't cause any change
i, ar an, ag an, as an, chuig an, faoin, leis an, ón, roimh an, tríd an, thar an all cause eclipsis
go and le prefix "h-" to following words that begin with a vowel.[/b] |
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December 18 2003, 1:12 AM |
Ailill
"Andúileach IGTF" Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: London Posts: 10,974
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| oisin718 wrote: |
Tiomnaím an ceann seo do Sheán
CHOOM-reem uh KYAWN shuh duh HAWN
(I dedicate this one to Seán) |
How about briathar saor here,
Tiomnaítear an ceann seo do Shéan
This one is dedicated to Seán _________________ "Tá an saol mór lán den fhilíocht ag an té dar dual a thuigbheáil agus ní thráfaidh an tobar go deo na ndeor."
Seosamh Mac Grianna, Mo Bhealach Féin |
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December 18 2003, 1:18 AM |
jordibcn
"New Arrival" Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Location: Barcelona, Spain Posts: 4
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Wow!! Go raibh maith agat, to all of you |
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December 18 2003, 1:20 AM |
oisin718
"Andúileach IGTF" Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Location: Ossining, NY Posts: 14,095
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That's just as good--it depends on the context.
Let's say its a song being played. If I were the musician and I were making the dedication, I'd use "Tiomnaím"
If I were telling somebody that the song was being dedicated to Seán, I might say "Tiomnaítear"
The Briathar Saor ephasizes the action (the dedication) when the person doing the dedication either is unknown or unimportant.
I wouldn't use "Tá an ceann seo tiomnaithe" unless what were talking about was something already completed--a dedication printed in a book or a monument or something. |
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December 18 2003, 1:25 AM |
jordibcn
"New Arrival" Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Location: Barcelona, Spain Posts: 4
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It's a dedication to be written on a book. So far it goes:
"Tiomnaím an ceann seo do Sheán le grá. Cronaím thú, Graím thú do deor na ndeor. Slán, codladh sámh." |
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December 18 2003, 1:33 AM |
Asarlaí
"Craic Pusher" Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Location: Brighton faoi láthair Posts: 7,827
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Grma arís Oisín,
Ps..Ailill, as you mentioned the rave reviews 'Progress in Irish' had received from Daltai.com the other day, I've dusted off my previously exiled copy and have worked my way to ceacht a fiche. It's an excellent book. It scared me 8 months ago but now I love it..
Impetus nua |
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