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 March 27 2008, 23:07 PM |
Redwolf
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| parc wrote: |
ok thank you, i have very little grasp of the language so i appericate all of your help...
so it is a question of "I" or "sa" or could it actually be "an" doiretrasna has stated or is that something intially different? |
DT was reminding me that the definite article is used with abstract nouns, such as "grá" in this kind of construction The definite article ("the") is "an," but when combined with "i" ("in"), it becomes "sa." So "sa" is right...but I'm asking him if it's correct to have the "h" in "ghrá" as you have it in your example (that "h" is a grammatical feature called "lenition").
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| March 27 2008, 23:08 PM |
Aibigéal
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It's sa. The preposition i combines with an to form sa instead.
(This isn't as illogical as it looks! The i used to be ins, and over time ins an got shortened to san, or just sa before consonants.)
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| March 27 2008, 23:08 PM |
Redwolf
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| Aibigéal wrote: |
It's sa. The preposition i combines with an to form sa instead.
(This isn't as illogical as it looks! The i used to be ins, and over time ins an got shortened to san, or just sa before consonants.) |
What about the séimhiú?
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| March 27 2008, 23:09 PM |
Aibigéal
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| parc wrote: |
ok thank you, i have very little grasp of the language so i appericate all of your help...
so it is a question of "I" or "sa" or could it actually be "an" doiretrasna has stated or is that something intially different? |
DT was reminding me that the definite article is used with abstract nouns, such as "grá" in this kind of construction The definite article ("the") is "an," but when combined with "i" ("in"), it becomes "sa." So "sa" is right...but I'm asking him if it's correct to have the "h" in "ghrá" as you have it in your example (that "h" is a grammatical feature called "lenition").
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sa ghrá is right according to the C.O. (go hainnis...  )
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| March 27 2008, 23:10 PM |
parc
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i see so because of the sentace structure creidim "sa" is correct but then the spell of gra would change?
does the pronouciation of "ghra" chnage when made "gra"
also how would you pronouce "sa"
sorry for all the questions... |
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| March 27 2008, 23:17 PM |
Aibigéal
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That's correct (but do be careful of the accent on ghrá! It's quite important.)
The pronunciation does change, but it's not particularly easy to describe. Think of the difference between ck in lock and ch in Scottish loch. Hear how the second one is a breathy, sustained sound (i.e. a fricative rather than a stop)?
OK, that's the same difference that exists between the g in grá and the gh in ghrá. The latter should be a breathy, sustained, voiced fricative. In plain English, a sort of gargling noise. 
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| March 27 2008, 23:20 PM |
parc
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thank you, i cannot make my laptop have the accents that is why i havnt been putting it up...but thank you
so afterwards we are saying
"creidim sa ghra" the correct translation of "i believe in love"
also what would be the pronouciation of that just to make sure...but thank you so much |
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| March 27 2008, 23:21 PM |
DoireTrasna
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| Redwolf wrote: |
| Aibigéal wrote: |
It's sa. The preposition i combines with an to form sa instead.
(This isn't as illogical as it looks! The i used to be ins, and over time ins an got shortened to san, or just sa before consonants.) |
What about the séimhiú?
Redwolf |
It's easy in Ulster, Redwolf - all simple prepositions aspirate with the singular of the article |
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| March 27 2008, 23:24 PM |
Benjamin
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This is a new rule to me, do we have to use sa for abstract nouns?
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| March 27 2008, 23:57 PM |
Redwolf
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| Benjamin wrote: |
| This is a new rule to me, do we have to use sa for abstract nouns? |
Well, we use "an" with abstract nouns, so with "i" that makes "sa."
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