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Pwyll2

I'd say:

Connemara:

ˈkˠɪmɼɪ ɛɾ nˠə ˈd̪ˠiːnʲɪ oːnˠə ˈd̪ˠɑːnʲɪkˠ t̪ˠuː (cuimre ar na daoine óna dtáinig tú)

Munster:

ˈkˠiːnʲɪɟ ɛɾ nˠə ˈd̪ˠiːnʲɪ oːnˠəɾ ˈhɑːnʲiːʃ (cuínig ar na daoine ónar tháinís)

Ulster:

ˈkˠɪβɲi ɛɾ nˠə ˈd̪ˠɨːɲi onˠə ˈd̪ˠanˠɪkˠt̪ˠu (cuimhní ar na daoiní óna dtánaig tú)

(between brackets, a "phonetical" spelling)
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Bearn · "Gaeilgeoir" Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 339

Caffler, now you know.

All this goes to show that the only way to to provide assistance is by IPA, with reference to a living dialect (or rather a model of one), which is why I don't usually make a 'phonetics' one, it will be completely wrong. For me, the spelling and sounds are so different it is impossible to do it right.
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Aibigéal

Erm, not to belabor the point but in this case my issue was with the pronunciation itself, not the newspaper phonetics. I could just as easily have commented on the IPA:

Bearn · "Gaeilgeoir" Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 339

I did answer -I followed the spelling -as you know what is vowel and what is glide can change over time, the glide sometimes becoming the main vowel. Maybe once upon a time, there was a u, maybe when it was a m, but if you pronounce it with a v, the vowel will be pulled to an i. As a short vowel, u simplly signals the broadness of c.

As I said, I don't see questions for pronunciation as actually chances to answer the ostensible question, more a chance to ruminate on IPA and orthography.

I did enough psychoanalysis in college to be of the opinion that when people ask questions very often they do not mean what they seem. I often feel there is no real direct answer -they do not want to know how it is pronounced in the Gaeltacht -it is better to have something closer to the spelling as that might sit better. Probably arrogance on my part!

Mr. Green

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Aibigéal

Ah. Let me see if I've got it straight now.

People ask questions they don't mean, so I may as well answer questions they don't ask. Smile

Ruminate away then, by all means! Smile

But maybe you should make it clear that's what you're doing. I thought (and I'm sure the OP did as well) that you were offering a suggestion on how he/she should in fact pronounce "cuimhnigh."

I can agree with that logic up to a certain point - for example, unless dialect is requested I'll usually indicate pronunciation of "do" as "do" even though I'd pronounce it "go" myself. But when I do that I'm usually surreptitiously easing toward a lárchanúint of some sort - taking the other two dialects into account as well as the spelling. In this case all three dialects have the "i" as the main vowel so I wouldn't deviate from that.

I'm trying to think now. Are there a lot of words in modern Irish where "ui" is pronounced "upside-down-ohm"? Suim, fuil, duilleog, fuinneog...
I can think of "cait" (Connemara pronunciation, occasionally spelled "cuit") and "buinneán" (in Carna anyway - not in Cois Fharraige, I don't think) but those are the only two off the top of my head.
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BuachaillBeo

Ah lads please please please don't start all this b*llocks again... most likely the OP doesn't understand IPA and they'll be more than happy with a rough estimation of pronunciation.... Here's a rough way to say it without the person suggesting the pronunciation going on a bit of an ego trip by using IPA and knowing full well that most people wont know it -

cuimhnigh ar na daoine ónar tháinig tú
cwee-nig er nah dee(i)na oh-nar haw(i)n-ig too
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Pwyll2

"Na" is not pronounced "nah" but "nuh", everywhere in Ireland as far as I know. (except if "ah" is pronounced "uh" in your part of the world... I dunno)

A final unstressed -e sounds more like "i" in "hit" than like an "a".

The i in "daoine" agus the first i in "tháinig" are just written to show the following consonant is slender. You don't pronounce them.
So if I follow your way to transcribe, you could get (roughly, again):

"cwee-nig er nuh dee-nih oh-nur haw-nig too. "

But do people say "tháinig tú" in Munster? Isn't it "tháinís" ?

BB, you seem to be angry about IPA, but isn't it simply because you don't know it? If you knew it you'd realise how useful it is. It allows to write the speech very precisely. If you only write in an English-like transcription, you just can't get all the sounds that exist in Irish and not in English (so to say: most sounds !).
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Bearn · "Gaeilgeoir" Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 339

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