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ag mo bhualadh nó do mo bhualadh

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Post November 20 2009, 20:22 PM
fatchops75
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Can anyone tell if both of these are the correct structure as each is in a different grammar book?
When there is a verbal noun and a direct object, I know a pronoun can't follow the verbal noun so do we use different prepositions for different verbs or would do and ag both suffice?
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Post November 20 2009, 20:31 PM
Pwyll2
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Both are correct, however I don't remember having seen "ag mo" etc in books, although it's what Donegal people say (but they drop the g). In Standard Irish (ie. what you'll find in most modern grammars), it is "do mo, do do, dá", etc, as far as I know.
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Post November 20 2009, 20:37 PM
czam2007
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never seen ag mo bhualadh but it seems it would be easier to remember than do mo bhualadh
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Post November 20 2009, 20:38 PM
rossai
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dom' bhualadh...in munster
Ba mhaith liom lámh chúnta a thabhairt d'éinne atá ag foghlaim agus ba mhaith liom déanamh amhlaidh mé fhéin.

Post November 20 2009, 20:45 PM
fatchops75
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Thanks, guys.
So would you use do for others as well eg.
do mo fhéachaint
do mo fhiafraí
but is it ok to follow verbal noun with prepositional pronoun eg:
ag cur isteach orm
ag cloisteáil dom
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Post November 20 2009, 20:56 PM
Pwyll2
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never seen ag mo bhualadh but it seems it would be easier to remember than do mo bhualadh


it's what Ulster people say, but since they're taught to write standard Irish, they don't write it...

So would you use do for others as well eg.
do mo fhéachaint
do mo fhiafraí


you'd write "do m'fhéachaint" and " do m'fhiafraí" since mo becomes m' before vowels and f+vowels.
Is fearr Gaeilg chliste ná Gaeilg bhriste

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Post November 20 2009, 21:05 PM
fatchops75
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of course, I forgot about that, thanks a mill :D
and also
fatchops75 wrote:is it ok to follow verbal noun with prepositional pronoun eg:
ag cur isteach orm
ag cloisteáil dom
?
Thanks
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Post November 20 2009, 21:10 PM
Pwyll2
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ag cur isteach orm >ok
ag mo chluinstin / do mo chloisteáil = hearing me
ag cloisteáil dom = when I heard
Is fearr Gaeilg chliste ná Gaeilg bhriste

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Post November 20 2009, 21:15 PM
fatchops75
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Thanks, Pwyll you're great and this answers my question, but now this
Pwyll2 wrote:ag cloisteáil dom = when I heard

has created a new question for me :/
Can you explain this structure please and would 'nuair a chlois mé' be wrong?
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Post November 20 2009, 21:34 PM
rossai
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it's a different structure

im sheasamh dom
ag léamh dom
im' shuí dom
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