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Post November 17 2009, 21:12 PM
scoobytyson
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Chailleamar is the written standard which is in all the reputable grammar books that I know of (I don't know about the really recent ones). Chaill muid is used extensively in speech and seems to me to be becoming more popular. Perhaps it's time to rewrite the grammar books - or for me to update my knowledge of same! If chaill muid is actually acceptable as part of the written standard, I'd be grateful for a reference to this in the likes to GGBC, Rechúrsa Gramadaí, or the Caighdeán handbook.
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Post November 17 2009, 21:36 PM
Antóin
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Benjamin wrote:
This is a Munster form

In Munster they would say ''chiallamair''.


Ah Jayzus, I know that. We're really getting into the extreme points of dialectic minutae. I'm sure if we investigated it further we'd find differences in pronunciation between Corca Dhuibhne, Oileán Cléire, Músgraí and An Rinn.

I'm on medication for a urinary tract infection. It's affecting my humour. :(
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Post November 17 2009, 21:43 PM
Antóin
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scoobytyson wrote:Chailleamar is the written standard which is in all the reputable grammar books that I know of (I don't know about the really recent ones). Chaill muid is used extensively in speech and seems to me to be becoming more popular. Perhaps it's time to rewrite the grammar books - or for me to update my knowledge of same! If chaill muid is actually acceptable as part of the written standard, I'd be grateful for a reference to this in the likes to GGBC, Rechúrsa Gramadaí, or the Caighdeán handbook.


Thanks for the clarification. I should have checked it up first. It's a long time since I was at school - we learned the Munster abbreviated form of the verbs. Most of them have been dropped from the official curriculum, AFAIK. I was putting "Chailleamar" in with those other forms.
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Post November 17 2009, 21:49 PM
Antóin
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Antóin wrote:emf : What you had is probably correct too. There are different ways of saying things in Irish as in any language.

Chailleamar an cluiche inné = We lost the match yesterday.

This is a Munster form, but is also used by some speakers in other parts who are influenced by Munster Irish.

Chaill muid an cluiche inné:

this is a more standard form and the system that is used widely in schools to the best of my knowledge.


Sorry emf. I got things back to front as was brought to my attention by Scoobytyson.

"Chailleamar" is the suggested standard.

I hope I haven't lead you astray.

To find how verbs are conjugated go to http://www.csis.ul.ie/focloir/ and type in the basic verb.
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Post November 17 2009, 22:12 PM
BridMhor
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Antóin wrote:I'm on medication for a urinary tract infection.


Cranberry juice is brillant
With my translations always (without exception) wait for others to confirm or correct.
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Post November 17 2009, 22:39 PM
Tenebre
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Antóin wrote:I'm on medication for a urinary tract infection. It's affecting my humour. :(


8O
Ar scáth a chéile a mhairimid
With my Translations, always wait for confirmation :idea:
Dá fhaid é an lá, tagann an oíche

Post November 17 2009, 22:46 PM
Benjamin
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I'm on medication for a urinary tract infection. It's affecting my humour. :(


Are you taking the piss? :lol:

Post November 17 2009, 22:47 PM
Teifeach
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if not , He,s sure gonna be Pissed at you :lach:

Post November 18 2009, 1:19 AM
mhwombat
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BridMhor wrote:
Antóin wrote:I'm on medication for a urinary tract infection.


Cranberry juice is brillant

Is fíor sin.
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