Irish Translation Forum

January 18 2004, 6:33 AM

I was wondering how you would say "dark" when you were describing a person. It means being dark as in evil and kind of morbid. And how would you pronounce it? Oh yeah: how would you prounounce "Prionsa" and does it mean "prince"? Thanks much.

January 18 2004, 9:13 AM

if you eventually want to make dark prince out of it, you realise that the adjectives in Irish have to match their nouns in gender, case and number, right?

I used to have a good word for sinister somewhere - Ailill, you still know where that Morrigan song you translated is at?

January 18 2004, 10:31 AM

I knew it wouldn't be quick. :roll:

I was hoping though, but it was a bit dumb on my part. The thing is I was *thinking* of making "Dark Prince" out of it but I'm not sure if I will (it's for a story) and the scene might go "Blah blah blah Aiden blah blah blah dark" and then someone else might say "the Dark Prince" so yeah... Sorry I was rushed when I posted. In any case it would be one person, a guy. Sorry...

January 18 2004, 10:42 AM

an Prionsa Diamhair = the Dark Prince

diamhair = dark, obscure, occult, mysterious, secluded, solitary, eerie, weird, lonely, fearsome

it's also related to the word for blasphemy, so I would say that's yer best bet for "dark" in that sense

but, seeing as I'm overtired and fried these days (LOL) best to wait for someone to confirm that

January 18 2004, 11:09 AM

That looks ok to me!

However the simple word Dubh also works well here.

Prionsa Dubh

pronounced

Prohnsah Duv

Note there is a v sound in Dubh in Munster- but in Ulster/Connocht

Dubh

is pronounced as the English word

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January 18 2004, 18:49 PM

Dunno about Dubh. (sorry Pól).

I think Dubh refers to hair colour. There are loads of names with Dubh in them, Ó Dubhthaigh, Duff etc.

They wouldn't have those as surnames if it meant "dark in a sinister way".

Go with Diamhair, it's specific.

January 18 2004, 21:02 PM

"Dubh" just means "Dark" or "Black." The old pagan cult of Crom Dubh, for example.

January 18 2004, 21:26 PM

oisin718 wrote:"Dubh" just means "Dark" or "Black." The old pagan cult of Crom Dubh, for example.

Yes, but if calling someone "Dubh" it is a reference to hair colour, in humas anyway.

So an Phriosa Dubh would be black-haired Prince.

A dubhthomhas, however is a deep mystery, an enigma.

January 18 2004, 21:28 PM

umm should prionsa be lenited???

January 18 2004, 21:29 PM

I reckon with the number of corrections I'm getting lately that its time to leave the translations to the newer 'generation'.

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