Irish Translation Forum

And as long as I am on the subject, does anyone know if there is an Old Irish word for "worm", as in the dragon type of worm?

Kevibn L. O'Brien

Piast

(general term referring to fabulous and mythical monsters, including dragons)

There's also a word:

Cruimh

erigena wrote:Piast

(general term referring to fabulous and mythical monsters, including dragons)

Thank you, that will help quite a bit.

Kevin L. O'Brien

Ailill wrote:There's also a word:

Cruibh

Thank you!

What would be the translation of that word?

Kevin L. O'Brien

nearest that I can find would be along the lines of claw/talon

Deb wrote:nearest that I can find would be along the lines of claw/talon

Sorry, I mispelt it:

Cruimh a worm, Ulster Irish cnuimh, Old Irish cruinn, Welsh, Cornish pryf, Breton prenv, *qr@.mi-; Lithuanian ki??rmis, Lettic sérms; Sanskrit kr@.mis, krímis.

Cruimh chabáiste - caterpillar

According to MacBain's dictionary the Old Irish fro "dragon" is drac. It did not say what the genitive form of that word is.

Could cruinn-dhrac work?

Kevin L. O'Brien

Cebhin O Briain wrote:According to MacBain's dictionary the Old Irish for "dragon" is drac. It did not say what the genitive form of that word is.

I take that back; MacBain's states that the genitive form of drac is dracon. Cruimh is a feminine noun, so I would imagine that the Old Irish word cruinn is also feminine. If dracon is then treated as an indefinite noun, then it would probably be lenited after a nominative singular feminine noun.

Therefore cruinn dhracon would probably work. Of course, I cannot say whether it would be two words, one word, or hyphenated, but since this is a made-up word, I suppose I can do it anyway I like. Using findruine as a guide, of which the "modern" form is fionndruinne, it would seem that cruinndhracon would probably be acceptable.

Kevin L. O'Brien

cruinndracon

no "h"