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I'm very interested as to how these fit into your "family pedigree" - are you claiming that you can PROVE direct descent from Heber scot (number 19) and no doubt thence all the way to adam? - I've seen O'Hart's genealogies - attractive but mainly fictional as I've said.

Also why do people always have to be descended from kings - surely there must be someone desceneded from the underfoootman or the rat-catcher!

Niall Mór wrote:I'm very interested as to how these fit into your "family pedigree" - are you claiming that you can PROVE direct descent from Heber scot (number 19) and no doubt thence all the way to adam? - I've seen O'Hart's genealogies - attractive but mainly fictional as I've said.

Also why do people always have to be descended from kings - surely there must be someone desceneded from the underfoootman or the rat-catcher!

Great cloudmaker (Niall Mór),

I didn't choose to be 'decended from kings' as you put it. It simply is as it is.
'Prove?' What a harsh word Can anybody realy prove anything? Because it's writen down on official or unofficial paper does that prove anything?
What I am saying is as best as anyone can prove anything I can prove I am decendant of # 19., As for Adam everyone is decendant from him if one is to believe the story of creation.

But what I am realy interested in is the etymology of/meaning and origion of these names.
Some of them have proven difficult to find others once you find out where to split the name into two words it wasn't so difficult. However many of the names on the list still allude me.
I realize that while many of the names are ancient that this is a modern Irish Gaelic site, However it is the only Irish Gaelic site I know of, and any help would be appritiated

Thanks ,
Ceann

"Magog" is in the Bible. I remember something about "Gog and Magog". But I have no idea if they were cities, false idols, or dragons.

apparently gog means prince of magog, but the meaning of the full name magog I do not know. from my studies it does not apear to be a city, but there is a legend about a giant.

Niall Mór wrote:Also why do people always have to be descended from kings - surely there must be someone desceneded from the underfoootman or the rat-catcher!

I think there's a (mostly) innocent explanation for that one. Say you go back 10 generations. in that generation you would have had 1024 ancestors (if I did my math right). Of those 1024, how many of them do you think you will find information on? Pretty few, I'd say, unless your family kept good records. Most of your lines of research will dead0end before you get to 10 generations. The people you're most likely to find info on are people of some importance. Not necessarily kings, but sherrifs, mayors, judges, teachers, and other people of some civic stature.

So ultimately, I think each line of research either hits someone middling important or dead-ends.

If you're wondering, i never found anyone of interest in my family tree. In my family we can barely point out our parents.

It's a little different from the "past life regression" phenomena, where every woman was Cleopatra in a former life.

I'm not too sure of the spelling, but wasn't "43 Smiomghall" Gollum's former name?

hehehe

and he was always rattling on about "A Thaisce"...poor bastard he was

I didn't choose to be 'decended from kings' as you put it. It simply is as it is.

How did you find out that you were descended from Heber Scot? What was the evidence that convinced you?

'Prove?' What a harsh word Can anybody realy prove anything? Because it's writen down on official or unofficial paper does that prove anything?

In the case of birth certificates, marriage certificates and wills - the usual fare of the geneagologist - yes it does prove something! Prove is only a harsh word to the charlatan.

What I am saying is as best as anyone can prove anything

what exactly do you mean here.

I can prove I am decendant of # 19.,

How exactly?

As for Adam everyone is decendant from him if one is to believe the story of creation.

If you look at the rest of the genealogy you took these names from, you'll see that O'Hart goes bak in unbroken line directly to Adam and presents it as gospel truth. The point is if you don't believe that Adam existed where do you believe the true pedigree starts?

I don't want to rain on your parade mate - I'm just interested as to how someone 'can prove as best as anybody can prove anything' that they are a descendent of Heber Scot! I think the cheif herald of Ireland would be really interested in your apparant genealogical breakthroughs also!
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Speaking as an exohistorian of the General Learning Cooperative of Talav, let me offer some insights.

First, just let me say your human geneologies amuse us. You focus on such petty things as titles and land of origin. We have a comprehensive database of human geneology going back over 100 of you solar revolutions, which trace genes, both harmful and positive mutations. As a piece of advice, that is something you would do better to look in.

To the matter hand, it is very easy for someone in Landing Stip 17 --- I must learn to use your designations, but perhaps this might help prepare you for the New Order? Anyway, ancient Ireland -- as far as we can tell -- was a tribal, kinship based society, not unlike that on III Delta Pavonis.

A "rí" was not a "king" as in your continent of Europe several centuries ago. He was in many respects the head of an extended family. The small size of the ancient population, the proclivity for illegitimate births, and the kinship network of the ancient society virtually guarantee that anyone of native Irish descent can point to a "rí" in their geneological backgrounds.

Greznon wrote:Speaking as an exohistorian of the General Learning Cooperative of Talav, let me offer some insights.

First, just let me say your human geneologies amuse us. You focus on such petty things as titles and land of origin. We have a comprehensive database of human geneology going back over 100 of you solar revolutions, which trace genes, both harmful and positive mutations. As a piece of advice, that is something you would do better to look in.

To the matter hand, it is very easy for someone in Landing Stip 17 --- I must learn to use your designations, but perhaps this might help prepare you for the New Order? Anyway, ancient Ireland -- as far as we can tell -- was a tribal, kinship based society, not unlike that on III Delta Pavonis.

A "rí" was not a "king" as in your continent of Europe several centuries ago. He was in many respects the head of an extended family. The small size of the ancient population, the proclivity for illegitimate births, and the kinship network of the ancient society virtually guarantee that anyone of native Irish descent can point to a "rí" in their geneological backgrounds.

Where you attemting to make any since with this post?
My focus realy is not on titles, but etymology. BTW