Irish Translation Forum

Hi,

I'm looking to get something made in memory of a friend but I'm not sure of the spelling of one of the phrases

The phrase is: siardhóchas but I have also been told síordhóchais
Is one or both of these correct?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Tom

madra2 wrote:Both are incorrect.

And neither of them is a phrase either.

Who is Madra2? I don't see his post?

elizabethmcd wrote:Who is Madra2? I don't see his post?

One of the ex-mods. I think...

The phrase is: siardhóchas but I have also been told síordhóchais
Is one or both of these correct?

I suspect that the intent was to say one of these:

siardhúchas - "western homeland"
or
síordhúchas - "eternal homeland"

The second one works grammatically, but I'm not sure about the first one.

In either case, if they work, then with the ending changed to -ais, the word goes into the genitive case (but needs an extra "t" as well if the word "the" is added, as shown below:
[an] tsiardhúchais - "of [the] western homeland"
[an] tsíordhúchais - "of [the] eternal homeland"

Do they? I thought masculine nouns starting with s took a t in the genitive cailín an tsiopa, lár an tseomra?

And I think the base noun was intended to be dóchas "hope".

I thought masculine nouns starting with s took a t in the genitive

Yep, I've corrected them.

And I think the base noun was intended to be dóchas "hope".

You could be right, if the intent was to get "eternal hope", but of course it makes no real sense with siar- as the prefix.

LaochGaelach wrote:

And I think the base noun was intended to be dóchas "hope".

You could be right, if the intent was to get "eternal hope", but of course it makes no real sense with siar- as the prefix.

I think the siar- is just a misspelling of síor- . They have identical pronunciation.

I agree