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An Chionnfhaolach wrote:Go raibh míle maith agat Redwolf, má tá suim agat ins na hamhráinibh tá ^A Chomaraigh Aoibhinn Ó" ceann fíor-dheas ar fad. Canann Karen Casey é agus d'fhéadfá teacht tharais ar Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJWRkCfq1K0

GRMA! Is breá liom Karan Casey...tá guth iontach binn uirthi.

Redwolf

There are plenty of native Irish idioms involving both the concept of "days coming to people", Tháinig a lá, etc., and of people "having their day", including an Paorach.

This reminds me of people who avoid the native word carr and use the artificial construct gluaisteán simply because carr sounds like the English word.

But there are always people who will throw the baby out with the bath water.

Tiocfaidh ár lá feabhais. "We will improve as time goes on" "There are better days in store for us."

Beidh an lá linn. "We shall win the day"

Breandán wrote:There are plenty of native Irish idioms involving both the concept of "days coming to people", Tháinig a lá, etc., and of people "having their day", including an Paorach.

This reminds me of people who avoid the native word carr and use the artificial construct gluaisteán simply because carr sounds like the English word.

But there are always people who will throw the baby out with the bath water.

Tiocfaidh ár lá feabhais. "We will improve as time goes on" "There are better days in store for us."

Beidh an lá linn. "We shall win the day"

Ní hé carr focal dúchais in aon chor, tagann carr ón bhfocal Béarla car. Ní sheachaimse carr a úsáíd ach b'fhearr liomsa gluaisteán a úsáid ina ionad mar thugann sé eolas dhuit go bhfuil gluaiseacht do shaghas éigint i gcéist. Níl aon bhrí leis an bhfocal carr ach an oiread agus is focal gaelach é gluaisteán le tuiscint ghaelach.

An Chionnfhaolach wrote:Ní hé carr focal dúchais in aon chor, tagann carr ón bhfocal Béarla car. Ní sheachaimse carr a úsáíd ach b'fhearr liomsa gluaisteán a úsáid ina ionad mar thugann sé eolas dhuit go bhfuil gluaiseacht do shaghas éigint i gcéist. Níl aon bhrí leis an bhfocal carr ach an oiread agus is focal gaelach é gluaisteán le tuiscint ghaelach.

Tá sé bunoscionn agat ar fad:

Is focal dúchais é carr a bhfuil an bhrí "cart" leis. Tháinig an Béarla "car" ón bhfocal Gaeilge.

Ní gluaisteán ach Béarlachas ar "motor", .i. mot- = gluais "movement" + -or = -án (agent noun suffix).

An Chionnfhaolach wrote:Go raibh míle maith agat Redwolf, má tá suim agat ins na hamhráinibh tá ^A Chomaraigh Aoibhinn Ó" ceann fíor-dheas ar fad. Canann Karen Casey é agus d'fhéadfá teacht tharais ar Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJWRkCfq1K0

O.T.; but what's the derivation of Comaraigh as in An Comaraigh?

An Chionnfhaolach wrote:

Breandán wrote:There are plenty of native Irish idioms involving both the concept of "days coming to people", Tháinig a lá, etc., and of people "having their day", including an Paorach.

This reminds me of people who avoid the native word carr and use the artificial construct gluaisteán simply because carr sounds like the English word.

But there are always people who will throw the baby out with the bath water.

Tiocfaidh ár lá feabhais. "We will improve as time goes on" "There are better days in store for us."

Beidh an lá linn. "We shall win the day"

Ní hé carr focal dúchais in aon chor, tagann carr ón bhfocal Béarla car. Ní sheachaimse carr a úsáíd ach b'fhearr liomsa gluaisteán a úsáid ina ionad mar thugann sé eolas dhuit go bhfuil gluaiseacht do shaghas éigint i gcéist. Níl aon bhrí leis an bhfocal carr ach an oiread agus is focal gaelach é gluaisteán le tuiscint ghaelach.

Cheapas féin an rud céanna, agus fós is é gluaisteán an focal a úsáidimse - ach is léir nach bhfuil "carr" ina Bhéarlachas. Bhí ionadh orm á fhoghlaim

Breandán wrote:Tá sé bunoscionn agat ar fad:

Is focal dúchais é carr a bhfuil an bhrí "cart" leis. Tháinig an Béarla "car" ón bhfocal Gaeilge.

Ní gluaisteán ach Béarlachas ar "motor", .i. mot- = gluais "movement" + -or = -án (agent noun suffix).

Hi, is seanda ar fad an focal ''Carr'' carrus san Laidin on an sean Cheilteach an Gaul de reir mar a chúlas fado .Nach ea.
Christy.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=car:

c.1300, "wheeled vehicle," from O.N.Fr. carre, from L. carrum, carrus (pl. carra), originally "two-wheeled Celtic war chariot," from Gaulish karros (cf. Welsh carr "cart, wagon," Breton karr "chariot"),

Géillimse dhuit a Bhréandáin, cathú orm thánn lán ceart agat ansan. Is léir gur deineadh deireadhchoimriú (syncope) ar an nGáillis: Kerros nú ar an Laidin carrum chun carr a dh'fháilt.

Ach is ait an rud é dom go n-úsáidimid an focal carbad ón seana-ghaoluinn carpat ón laidin carpentum do "chariot". Do bheadh carr i bhfad níos oiriúnaí ansan, cosamhail leis an mBriotáinis.

beimid ag foghlam i gcónaí.

thanks for all the input. i should rephrase what i said, though. what i meant really....was i agree with the i.r.a. in that ireland should be united as one. i don't agree with the violence today but it was an entirely different situation in the 20th century.if i remember correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong but the northerners have the power to vote for their independence these days. so, i do agree that there is no need for an armed struggle. "our day will come" is more personal to me and less about the politics. on the other hand I'm glad i didn't re-word it because it created great conversation. now...how heavily associated is the phrase beidh ár lá linn with the i.r.a.?