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Post March 12 2004, 7:09 AM
owen
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can somebody help me. which is the correct Irish gaelic spelling for "Ireland forever" (a.k.a in the anglicised form as "Erin Go Bragh")
I basically want to know the difference between "Éireann go Brách" and "Éire Go Bragh". The later form is the most commonly displayed version in relation to the green flag, can somebody please tell me the difference and which is most correct, I am doing a project on the origins of irish flags.

 
Post March 12 2004, 7:20 AM
SleeveenMuzzy
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The latter Éire go Brách is most commonly used, at least from what I have been told. Either or is used and spoken, I suppose with the preference of tongue. Bragh ? lol I cannot find this anywhere....someone help me with this one please.

Slán
Cahir

Post March 12 2004, 8:00 AM
Ailill
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Éire go brách!!!
"Tá an saol mór lán den fhilíocht ag an té dar dual a thuigbheáil agus ní thráfaidh an tobar go deo na ndeor."
Seosamh Mac Grianna, Mo Bhealach Féin

Post March 12 2004, 15:30 PM
Redwolf
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owen wrote:can somebody help me. which is the correct Irish gaelic spelling for "Ireland forever" (a.k.a in the anglicised form as "Erin Go Bragh")
I basically want to know the difference between "Éireann go Brách" and "Éire Go Bragh". The later form is the most commonly displayed version in relation to the green flag, can somebody please tell me the difference and which is most correct, I am doing a project on the origins of irish flags.


Anything "go Bragh" is quite simply wrong...probably based on a mishearing of "go Brách" somewhere along the line.

"Eireann" is wrong because it's in the wrong grammatical case for its position in the sentence (it's genetive, and you need the nominative here).

So, bottom line, if you want to be correct, you need "Éire go Brách."

Redwolf

Post March 12 2004, 18:15 PM
Conor
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It's in the sticky :ja:

Post March 12 2004, 19:57 PM
dallas
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[quote="Redwolf
"Eireann" is wrong because it's in the wrong grammatical case for its position in the sentence (it's genetive, and you need the here).

So, bottom line, if you want to be correct, you need "Éire go Brách."

Redwolf[/quote]

sorry whu is nominative???

luv
dallas
Ba mhaith liom bheith i m'Éireannach!!!
:)

Post March 12 2004, 20:05 PM
oisin718
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It's a complicated grammatical thing. When we say that "Éire" is in the nominative case, we mean that it's the basic form of the word, the one used with verbs and such, when you're talking about "Ireland." It means that "Éire" is the form used when you're not talking about possession or relationships with prepositions.

Is oileán í Éire -- Ireland in an island

Is breá liom Éire -- I love Ireland

Chonaic sé Éire ón long -- He saw Ireland from the boat

In all of these, "Éire" is in the nominative case. But there are other cases:

Genitive:

Is príomhchathair na hÉireann é Baile Átha Cliath = Dublin is the capital of Ireland.

Dative:

Ba mhaith liom dul go hÉirinn = I would like to go to Ireland

Post March 12 2004, 20:28 PM
dallas
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icicicicicic
thank you!
sorry for bring such a botther. i want to learn how to speak Irish but my school only teaches italaian :roll:..... but i do have another question. irish gaelic... what do i call it? irish, or gaelic? or pehaps theres a gaelic word for it. if there is and you know it post it.... and then please tell me how to pronouce it. thank you!!!!

Luv always
Dallas :wink:
Ba mhaith liom bheith i m'Éireannach!!!
:)

Post March 12 2004, 21:50 PM
Conor
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English: Irish
Irish: Gaeilge

Post March 12 2004, 21:55 PM
dallas
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thank u young conor lol :D
i have a question for you, or anyothers that know the history of Ireland:
1st who were the celtics? how were they formed that sort of thing
2ed why does part of ireland belong to Britan?
And lastly,
Do the Irish 'hate' another country? i.e. Scotland, or Britan?

Thanks!!!

Luv always
Dallas
Ba mhaith liom bheith i m'Éireannach!!!
:)


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